DestinationThink! is getting ready for its Summit in New York in October (pdf) and one of the themes is titled Profit and Planet. Partly in preparation, the following discussion formed the third in a series of interviews conducted by David Archer of Destination Think! earlier this summer – see postcards. This post comprises the key questions and responses and the original is here. The italicised comments are my afterthoughts.

For tourism destinations, do profit and planet need to be at odds?

Anna Pollock: I am not anti-profit and I don’t believe for a second that being profitable is incompatible with living in harmony with the planet’s natural laws. On the contrary, in fact.

Nor am I anti-growth – I’m only against a very inefficient, inappropriate and unnatural form of growth. The problem is that growth in tourism is too narrowly defined as visitation numbers.

How else can we define growth?

Simply put, by shifting from quantity to quality, from gross to net impact. What is the point of growing tourism at 5% a year, compounded, if only 10% of the visitor spend stays in the local economy when you could take measures to increase that input to 80%?

Do the math. If in year 1, you received 50,000 visitors who spent $500 and only $50 of that spending stayed in the community you would receive $2,500,000 in net income. Over the next five years you focus exclusively on building flourishing host businesses, and fully engaging the community and you get the retention figure up to $100 (20% – which is still pitiful) then the net income would increase by 100% with no increase in visitor numbers and no increase in infrastructure damage, emissions, waste or resource use due to expansion in numbers.

If the key to future success were to be significantly reducing leakage and increasing the multiplier effect, we need more research into the mix of measures that contribute to success in this form. I suspect the mix will vary from one destination to another. This is one area where collaboration between destinations would be very helpful especially as I do not see any long-term competitive advantage in keeping success on this front a secret.

Aside from economics, why is this conversation important?

Constantly repeating the “profit or planet message” does a disservice to both business and the planet. As population and economic activity expand, the consequence of our current production-consumption patterns become more apparent and either remedial measures (more regulation, taxation and restrictions) or public protest occur.

But once you change the purpose of a system, everything else changes. When you switch from a drive for more to ensuring all stakeholders in the system flourish, all kinds of new opportunities open up.

What kinds of opportunities?

The first thing that happens is that everyone gets involved when they can see how they can benefit from “developing” as in creating, and designing visitor experiences that delight and transform; when employees know they are cared for; when existing businesses are given as much attention as investors from outside the community; when a diverse ecosystem of business structures is encouraged that includes cooperatives, social enterprises and community-owned enterprises; and, most of all, when the community has the chance to decide how much tourism they can handle, in what manner they wish to make guests welcome and what legacies they want to leave their grandchildren.

How can we begin to make these changes?

There’s no generic or simple, fix-it, solution to improving yield and increasing resilience, but the best chance of having innovative solutions emerge is to build communities of people passionate about their place and committed to working together to ensure all its residents can flourish.

If the DMO doesn’t do it, it will happen from within the community. As a DMO, if you don’t start to take responsibility for managing demand, others will take responsibility for either stopping it or managing it.

Under typical, numbers-based definitions of growth, the more successful you are, the more likely you are to undermine the future of the industry. So if you’re in it just for yourself, for a quick buck, you can do fine, but you’re not going to leave a legacy that anyone’s going to thank you for.

We desperately need a positive vision for the future of tourism, for our economies and societies as a whole that harnesses the talents under our noses – the people like us who call this place home.

Contrary to the impression that my recent LinkedIn posts might imply, I am not negative about tourism. I believe that hosts involved in travel and hospitality are uniquely positioned to aid and accelerate a much deeper shift that is taking place in human values and relationship with the natural world. By working together to put, in combination, guests’ delight and even transformation plus community benefit first, individual enterprises will enjoy a higher, sustainable return over the longer term. Yes, it’s a belief but one that Conscious Travel is committed to demonstrate works.

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